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Anonymous 14/7/2009(Tue)10:16:35 No.120439  
We are living in a Simulation

The Simulation Hypothesis proposes that reality is in fact a simulation of which those affected by the simulants are generally unaware. The hypothesis does not have global scope since, if true, it entails that there is a reality that is not a simulation as there must be a place housing the machinery on which the simulation is being run. The hypothesis itself relies on the development of simulated reality.
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Anonymous 14/7/2009(Tue)10:18:01 No.120441
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Ten years after Moravec first published the simulation argument (and 3 years after its update in Moravec's second full pop science book), the philosopher Nick Bostrom investigated the possibility that we may be living in a simulation.[1] A simplified version of his argument proceeds as such:

I. It is possible that a civilization could create a computer simulation which contains individuals with artificial intelligence.
II. Such a civilization would likely run many—say billions—of these simulations (just for fun; for research, etc.)
III. A simulated individual inside the simulation wouldn’t necessarily know that it’s inside a simulation—it’s just going about its daily business in what it considers to be the "real world."
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Anonymous 14/7/2009(Tue)10:19:53 No.120443
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Then the ultimate question is—if one accepts that theses I, II, and III are at least possible— which of the following is more likely?

a. We are the one civilization which develops AI simulations and happens not to be in one itself? Or,
b. We are one of the many (billions) of simulations that has run? (Remember point III.)

In greater detail, his argument attempts to prove the trichotomy, that:

either

1. intelligent races will never reach a level of technology where they can run simulations of reality so detailed they can be mistaken for reality (or this is impossible in principle); or
2. races who do reach such a level do not tend to run such simulations; or
3. we are almost certainly living in such a simulation.
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Anonymous 14/7/2009(Tue)11:17:49 No.120487
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Bostrom's argument uses the premise that given sufficiently advanced technology, it is possible to simulate entire inhabited planets or even larger habitats or even entire universes as quantum simulations in time/space pockets, including all the people on them, on a computer, and that simulated people can be fully conscious, and are as much persons as non-simulated people.

A particular case provided in the original paper poses the scenario where we assume that the human race could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves in the process (i.e. we deny the first hypothesis); and that once we reached such a level we would still be interested in history, the past, and our ancestors, and that there would be no legal or moral strictures on running such simulations (we deny the second hypothesis)—then

* it is likely that we would run a very large number of so-called ancestor simulations to study our past;
* and that, by the same line of reasoning, many of these simulations would in turn run other sub-simulations, and so on;
* and that given the fact that right now it is impossible to tell whether we are living in one of the vast number of simulations or the original ancestor universe, the likelihood is that the former is true.

Assumptions as to whether the human race (or another intelligent species) could reach such a technological level without destroying themselves depend greatly on the value of the Drake equation, which gives the number of intelligent technological species communicating via radio in a galaxy at any given point in time. The expanded equation looks to the number of posthuman civilizations that ever would exist in any given universe. If the average for all universes, real or simulated, is greater than or equal to one such civilization existing in each universe's entire history, then odds are rather overwhelmingly in favor of the proposition that the average civilization is in a simulation, assuming that such simulated universes are possible and such civilizations would want to run such simulations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality
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Anonymous 15/7/2009(Wed)07:29:15 No.120737
Quantum physics = rounding errors

There's no need to assume simulated people are "as fully conscious". It's possible that humans are just "more conscious" in the future, or that the being who wrote the simulation is not human.

Also, the simulation may not even been running everything we think "exists". Maybe the universe ends outside the solar system and everything else is just a light radiating .jpg. Maybe the universe is actually 6000 years old and the light from distant stars was already on the way when the simulation started. (lol creationism) Maybe the simulation is only simulating you and your experiences (that's right, Bryce). Or maybe The Matrix is true. Or maybe all of your memories before Monday are made up, but in the future people pay money to have their memories temprarily erased and replaced, and take a weekend vacation in the simulated past.

Shit, I can make almost any religion or philosophical viewpoint plausible this way, and make up a hundred more. And I don't really see much reason to say any of them are more likely. Who knows?
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Anonymous 15/7/2009(Wed)12:57:55 No.120830
>>120737
Solar system? Maybe it is just the Earth, Maybe it is just the area near you and all the rest of the world doesn't existis when you are not near. Also anything to small to be seen with naked eye doesn't really exist, all the bacteria in the microscope are only simulated when you are looking at the microscope.

This all leads to my apoof hypothesis that the universe was created one second ago, not one second ago when I wrote this, I never really wrote this, this already was written when the universe was created. The universe was created one second ago from the last time you read this (or hear this). And no one can prove me wrong, the Universe was made to look old but is is all just one second of age. Dead people never really lived, they are only memories created one second ago, You have never read the begin of my post, it was just a memory created one second ago and your life starts now!
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Anonymous 18/7/2009(Sat)08:47:50 No.125427
>>120830

I see what you did thar.

Just to toss this out there. I still think it is possible to prove (if it is true). No matter how advanced technology becomes, errors are inevitable. So the very "errors" we observe could be glitches in the program; Planck Scale, Quantum Mechanics, etc. Perhaps even a neuron misfire in your brain is an "error".

I'm not going to point out the obvious holes in this idea...
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Anonymous 20/7/2009(Mon)06:43:46 No.127353
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>>120830
Reality was destroyed and created 3 years ago
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Anonymous 20/7/2009(Mon)08:33:28 No.127373
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I see. So Haruhi is the cause? How can I be so sure you're right?
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4tran 20/7/2009(Mon)09:04:26 No.127412
>>125427
The breaking of Bell's inequalities has been confirmed to over 180 standard deviations. I wouldn't call quantum mechanics an error/glitch.
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Anonymous 23/7/2009(Thu)05:37:10 No.132586
>>125427

Let's say that due to a bug/crash/error for some time the simulated world would display tons of codes instead of stars in the sky.

The simulated habitants would become aware of being in a simulation spoiling the desired effect of the makers.

All they need to do to fix this is rollback the simulation until before the error and them continue it from there. This way, even if errors were inevitable the simulated world would never experience an error
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Anonymous 29/7/2009(Wed)02:20:47 No.143805
Related: Brain in a Vat thread
>>141209
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Anonymous 02/8/2009(Sun)04:13:51 No.193394
>>132586
Mankind is now aware that they live in a simulation now.

GAME OVER

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start new game
=>load game
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Anonymous 11/8/2009(Tue)12:16:11 No.206703
lol, maybe we just reached level two!
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Anonymous 11/8/2009(Tue)12:58:25 No.206728
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>>206703
LEVEL UP!!!

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